I'm not sure if this was posted before, but I'm glad these people were allowed to tell their stories and opinions.
The risk of suicide in children, which is an oft-cited statistic due to the alarming frequency of suicides by transgender individuals, is overstated, Lopez tells The Advocate:
“It’s billed as being the key critical component for helping a trans kid. They’re like, ‘Oh my gosh, they’re going to kill themselves if they don’t [transition].' Even Jazz Jennings’s page on her foundation’s website has a note showing where a little kid scribbled, ‘I want to kill myself.’
"It’s subliminal. It’s expected that these kids are probably going to end their lives if mom and dad don’t give them what they want. And it’s usually a Munchausen by proxy-driven mother and it’s always a kind of wimpy dad-kind of thing going on, mom wears the pants in the family.”
That claim, Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, is a serious allegation; the medical term is "factitious diagnosis imposed on another" and is considered a form of child abuse. It is also a criminal offense. And on his Facebook page, Cummings accuses the mother of the best-known transgender child in America of that crime, and repeated in our interview.
“Jazz Jennings, thanks to me, came forward. I know the father, very quiet. Jeanette wears the pants in that family.”
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 4, 2018 3:44 AM |
The article is from 2015.
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 12, 2018 7:23 PM |
Holy shit, I can't believe the Advocate would publish anything that would try and damage the tranny kool aid agenda.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 12, 2018 7:24 PM |
That was 2015. They probably wouldn't do it now. Still it is surprising that it got in there.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 12, 2018 7:35 PM |
^^ I can't believe that was printed there either. I had to read that a couple of times to make sure I was reading it correctly. I have no issue with anyone that wants to experiment or question their own identity. Under normal circumstances, I'd encourage it. But these self-proclaimed activists are scary. I've been around for a long time, and I know who these people are. They're not gay, which is fine, but their insistence that they be latched onto that is disgusting. Just do you're own thing, and make it work for yourself. That's how you find respect. Not by shouting down and violently attacking others.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 12, 2018 7:41 PM |
Three years since that came out. And, . . . crickets.
Adults should be free to do whatever they want with and to their own bodies. But, encouraging young children to "transition" seems barbaric.
We don't allow young kids to vote, smoke, own guns, drink liquor, enlist in the army, or live on their own. When kids commit crimes, especially young kids, they are held to a lesser degree of culpability. However, if an eight-year-old kid now wants to transition from male to female or female to male, that decision is considered mature and worthy of support and encouragement. That kind of thinking just seems completely out of whack. And yet, all the national LGBT organizations go along with this as if it is completely acceptable and to question it is transphobic.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 12, 2018 7:47 PM |
The risk of suicide in children, which is an oft-cited statistic due to the alarming frequency of suicides by transgender individuals, is overstated, Lopez tells The Advocate:
“It’s billed as being the key critical component for helping a trans kid. They’re like, ‘Oh my gosh, they’re going to kill themselves if they don’t [transition].' Even Jazz Jennings’s page on her foundation’s website has a note showing where a little kid scribbled, ‘I want to kill myself.’
"It’s subliminal. It’s expected that these kids are probably going to end their lives if mom and dad don’t give them what they want. And it’s usually a Munchausen by proxy-driven mother and it’s always a kind of wimpy dad-kind of thing going on, mom wears the pants in the family.”
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 12, 2018 7:51 PM |
Yeah, "suicide" is one of the biggest lies.
The suicides will be in the future with all of the young people dragged into this.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 12, 2018 8:03 PM |
I have no problem with rational arguments against gender transitioning. It truly isn't for most people.
If for anyone!
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 12, 2018 8:04 PM |
Transing kids is straight up child abuse.
The parents and medical professionals behind this all belong in prison.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 12, 2018 8:11 PM |
Dr. Chris Freeman, who teaches a course in transgender studies at the University of Southern California, is on the board of directors of the One Archives Foundation and boasts 25 years of experience on the subject, hadn’t heard of Cummings or Lopez when The Advocate interviewed him last month. But after hearing their claims that gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, Freeman compared their theory to beliefs about another condition:
“Chronic fatigue syndrome: People say it is not real. But it is. And being trans is a thing."
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 12, 2018 8:13 PM |
If anything approaching that article today were published it would be labeled a hate crime. Really a sad state of affairs.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 12, 2018 8:17 PM |
They wouldn’t run this article today because what Lopez said about the Jenning/Bloshinski family— especially Mama Jeanette- has been born out on Jazz’s tv show. Instead of a happy transitioned teen, we see a depressed and bloated young man being told his unnecessarily stunted growth and infant sized genitalia will require excessive amounts of surgery to “correct”.
When there was nothing wrong with him in the first place.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 12, 2018 8:29 PM |
Children don't really know what they want. I thought that I was attracted to girls up until 17-18 years old. Touching any girl gave me a boner. Then I realized that I was much more turned on by my own gender. Sexuality is so fluid it's near impossible to stick a label on it so early. It could change!
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 12, 2018 8:30 PM |
You certainly don't know at five or six years old (when they started with "Jazz" ) what surgical operations, drugs and social isolation mean.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 12, 2018 8:47 PM |
On Facebook, Cummings denounced the therapist and surgeon who changed his life in 2003: “I went on Testosterone, and 5 months later, I had my precious breast and my amazing reproductive organs ripped out of me, all in a quest to be a ‘man.’
“What sane person does this, and what medical professional who swears to do no harm goes along with this diabolical plan? I am sorry but now that I have come to my senses and see what this vile community has become, I see the reason for the vileness and the darkness in its intent.”
He summed up his feelings and the campaign he and Lopez launched in three sentences:
“Gender dysphoria is a lie, I don't expect many to believe me or understand since you are still entrapped in your delusions. A woman can never be a man or visa versa, we can't change biology, and what the medical system has allowed for profit should be shamed and prosecuted.”
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 12, 2018 8:59 PM |
If you click through to Mark Angelo Cummings's FB page (linked in the article), he is still identifying as a transman three years later, so I'm guessing his views have changed again. One hopes his obnoxious propensity to insist that his current life choices are the only right choices for everyone has also changed, but I doubt it.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 12, 2018 9:09 PM |
And the person who wrote the article is trans and their twitter is full of pro-trans propaganda
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 12, 2018 9:13 PM |
R10 I have friends who are trans and both of them agree. They both waited until they were adults in order to transition and they both are bisexual and lived as bisexual men, and then discovered that they are trans.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 12, 2018 9:50 PM |
I am so glad it was pointed out how often it's a munchie mommy does this. I've noticed that too but hadn't read it anywhere else before. The parents are the ones that need to be at the doctor not the kids.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 12, 2018 10:01 PM |
[quote] If you click through to Mark Angelo Cummings's FB page (linked in the article), he is still identifying as a transman three years later, so I'm guessing his views have changed again.
Well, by his own description, he had his breasts and genitals removed so he kind of made his bed and has to make the best of what he wound up with. That means living as a transman. It doesn't mean he has to advocate for it.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 12, 2018 10:19 PM |
Yes R21, it was something that they gradually realised, learned, or discovered. Much like how there are bisexual and even gay men who when they are kids, teenagers, or even young adults do not always know they are bi or gay.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 16, 2018 7:25 PM |
You don't "discover" you are "really" trans because it isn't a real thing. What did they "discover" they were? Straight with a cross-dressing fetish? A homosexual who hates himself so much he needs to cut off body parts and pretend he is the opposite sex?
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 16, 2018 9:05 PM |
It's truly shocking that The ADVOCATE would publish something like this as recently as 2005. What a difference a few short years can make. Caitlyn really deserves all the credit in the world from the trans community. She's their Martin Luther King. She made so much change for them.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 18, 2018 2:03 AM |
Yeah, let's burn it at the stake.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 18, 2018 3:36 AM |
I stopped reading at "visa versa."
I can't stand idiots who use phrases they don't understand.
Say it with me now: it is "VICE (pronounced like "ice") versa"
When I hear someone say "visah-versa" I instantly know the person is an idiot.
It is usually the same people who write "should of."
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 18, 2018 7:17 AM |
[quote]“Chronic fatigue syndrome: People say it is not real. But it is. And being trans is a thing. And it will remain a thing as long as the money keeps pouring in".
Fixed.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 18, 2018 7:22 AM |
r29 Thank you! jesus, it was only a joke in "Best in Show" that idiot Jennifer Coolidge character said "she loves me, and vice-a versa" and many people didn't even know that was the joke!
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 18, 2018 7:40 AM |
[quote] as recently as 2005
I am trying to remember when I started to get alarmed by the recent transmania. It might have been 2006 or 2007. I know by 2010 I really wanted to talk to someone about it but there was no one that understood what was going on (except on DL of course and some blogs)
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 18, 2018 2:47 PM |
Has anyone seen the Jazz show recently? How is surgery going to be able to address stunted growth? How tall is Jazz/Jeron?
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | June 18, 2018 1:56 AM |
It's over for the season till next year r33. He's about to get his neo vadge though, that's in the news. And I think he's like 5'3 ish.j
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 34 | June 18, 2018 2:04 AM |
“Wears the pants” is a terribly dated, sexist way to describe a woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | June 18, 2018 4:22 AM |
[quote]Chronic fatigue syndrome: People say it is not real. But it is. And being trans is a thing.
I suspect had I been a man I might have been taken a little bit more seriously and not told to go to a hairdresser.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 36 | June 18, 2018 5:58 AM |
Our continuation thread about Jazz' surgery was shut down, I'm surprised it took that long, you aren not allowed to question the Munchausen's Jenning family on here, I wonder why.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | July 4, 2018 3:30 AM |
[quote]Holy shit, I can't believe the Advocate would publish anything that would try and damage the tranny kool aid agenda.
How does the article do that? Do you realize the article is attacking an "ex-trans" activist?
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 4, 2018 3:44 AM |